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Thamesmead Codex transcript

Transcript of Bob and Roberta Smith's Thamesmead Codex.

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1. The Thamesmead Codex

The Thamesmead Codex

To Thamesmead it’s a trip along the

north Kent coast beside the estuary

through towns: some prosperous, some not.

Through Margate, Whitstable, Chatham. Across

flatlands with pylons, seabirds, industrial estates, to talk

2. I am 18 years old

I am 18 years old. It's all messed up.

I want to go to Warwick University. I don’t know how

it's going to go with not taking my exams and social distancing.

I have been in one house for 18 years. I am a bit bored with it.

I loved primary school. It was very small and there was a

hub of Chinese people. We used to celebrate Chinese

New Year, so there would be lion dances, professional musicians

celebrating the lunar new year, so there would be mums and

grandma's bringing in home cooking. We would have authentic

Chinese food for lunch. There was a community hub. My grandma

who is a really nice lady, she is 91, used to go to meet other Chinese

people to play majong and talk about old times. It’s been closed for many

years. ‘Global sustainable development’ is the degree for me. If you

don't understand sustainable development you won’t be around for

long. I want businesses, be they large or small, acknowlaging

their impact on the world, and trying to make their impact a positive one.

3. I trained as a teacher

I trained as a teacher. I had health problems.

I was always looking for something to do.

I found I was good at getting alongside others,

one to one. I have continued this therapeutic engagement.

The penny dropped. I can combine music and therapeutic

potential, so that the potential can be magnified 10, 20 times. So

that really fired me up to try and explore. It’s very

different from music as we normally know it because it’s

not about performance. It’s about participation. Musicians

expect to perform and audiences expect a performance.

So for the audience to accept the performance depends on

them is a whole new concept. One woman with serious mental

health problems was very keen to come along. She loved singing

‘could be a big character. But if you saw her you would have thought

she was hating it. But afterwards she has been on an up. The psychiatric team can’t believe it.

4. I am a mum of 9

I am a mum of 9. I have lived in Thamesmead

since 1997. I am active in the community

I get involved locally. I am a co-minister with my

husband. I was born here then emigrated to Canada

with my parents. I moved back with my husband. Coming from

Canada I found it a bit of a culture shock. In Canada

people are very friendly. When I first came I was shocked

to see I would go for a walk and say ‘hello’ to people.

People would look at me as if I am crazy or something. In Canada I

was teaching dental nursing at the school where I was taught

but here I was back down to the lowest level of dentistry. It was

discriminatory. I couldn’t even take an x-ray. I went back to ‘sucking

spit’ I felt I was going back 10 years in time. They did not have a

computer. Patients’ records piled up in the office. No lead aprons.

Covid and the murder of George Floyd means things that were already there

have been brought to the surface. I like to stay involved because although it

takes a long time eventually things move forward.

5. I have a special interest in pain

I have a special interest in

pain. There seems a narrow field for people in chronic

pain. People for whome everything has failed for a long time.

Pain is suffering. Suffering has a spiritual dimension. The people

here have to put up with what is equivalent to imprisonment,

torture basically. We are very interested in who this person is.

In the Russian labour camps it was known if you wanted to survive

you gave your bread away. Try to help, is quite a beginning. You

don't just learn things from out in the world but through the

doing of things. So. Massage, the doing of art, colour, charcoal,

sound, what the experience arouses, water colours on a wet paper

what does yellow do? Blue is a sky. When someone is surprised. Surprise

is discovery. One woman played her instrument like bang! Bang! Bang! But

then one day she was able to listen to the person next to her in the

group and she was able to make something beautiful.

6. I usually go on tour with bands

I usually go on tour with bands.

I look after their equipment and set stuff up for

them. Some people I was working for, they have a ware-

house on an industrial estate. I build sets for theatre and

stuff. Because of the Covid thing I was supposed to be

away but everything has been pulled and I have been staying

in the workshop. It’s not ideal. I've got a bicycle.

If I go one way I am down at the river, the Thames.

If I go the other way it's just a whole network of wood-

land. This time of year Bostell woods are stunning.

I have a thing about trees. The secret life of trees. There

is a particular place I have found. It’s a place of

high ground, it’s really flat. It’s like a cathedral.

Like columns in a cathedral. I have always loved going

outdoors. When I was young I was always going off to the woods.

I was brought up on the southside of Glasgow, Halton. I could

sneak off to the woods. If I can find a way, I want

to stay. I am really enjoying being here at the moment.

I have got a friend who is living in the woods. I was

half contemplating moving in with him. There

is a community there from opposing the

airport in the 1970s.

7. I am in year 13

I am in year 13. Me as a person I have

always wanted to take the challenge. I am

taking a gap year. I want to do medicine.

I want to specialise in neuro-surgery. There is

a lot about the brain that is undiscovered. I

think it’s cool that something that controls us

is so hidden from us. I would say I am an ambivert

I can be introverted and extraverted. My mum works

quite often. She works in childcare with disabled children,

I have to look after my two brothers. I am the eldest

unfortunately. It’s quite stressful right now we have been

using Zoom to check up on friends. I am engaged with Black Lives

Matter. It is important to me. It’s quite an emotional topic. There

should not be a disagreement about why one person of a different colour should live happily.

In my gap year I want to go climbing in the French Alps. I went with

school. We went from the green bottom up to a snowy mountain top.

8 & 9. I was born in Hackney

I was born in Hackney. Thamesmead

was a new modern estate and it was suggested

to my mum to apply. My mum went to various art

schools in Belgium, walking around Thamesmead

she would tell me about 2 point perspective, ‘see that

road over there see how it dips up and down?’ When

I lived in Mangold Way I used to go out with friends

on our bikes. In that respect it was quite safe. If I went out

the front door it was all pedestrianized, you didn't have to cross

any roads. It was quite labyrinthine and mezzanine. There

was no need to keep up with the Jones’. Everyone had

the same sized house. When I was 13 we got into B.M.X.

We were all over the estate. North Thamesmead was a real

adventure. It was really half urban, half rural. It was about

time that robotics, electro and break dancing came out.

Underground garages made you feel you were in New York.

We had a crew of mates and we would have our

rolled up kitchen lino. We would try our moves with

our beat box. We had break dancing battles with kids

from north Thamesmead. It felt like an occupational

hazard but there was a lot of discrimination in my time.

At primary school I got singled out a lot. It’s not easy

to talk about because Thamesmead has a reputation and that's

what gets focused on. My memories are quite happy. But I was

quite aware of some negative things. The crews that

I had been break dancing with became, basically, racist

gangs. I don't know, it’s people processing their views in an

unhealthy way. Some people snap out of it, some people don’t.

It was quite troubling, bullying. It was very difficult to process

as a young person. I used to sail every summer 50p, a

day. We would be out on the lake. That was great.

I began to make paintings about where I grew up.

10. I am Pastor Bunmi

I am Pastor Bunmi. I was a

founder member of the church but I am the second

pastor. It’s mainly multicultural, Black African,

Caribbean in nature. Not by design but a reflection of the

community. The services are big musical events. We

all sing together. It’s kind of a wild party. We get to

mingle and jingle. There is finger food. Occasionally we

have something more elaborate. I was born in Paddington,

went to secondary school in Lagos. I have lived in Thamesmead

15 years. We were living in a bed sit in north London

expecting our first baby. When we came down we thought there

was a lot of green. It is like living in the country but not far from

London. We didn’t realise Thamesmead had a reputation. There was a racist

incident where a black boy was murdered that was even before Stephen

Lawrence. That case was not handled very well.

In 18 years I have not experienced anything extraordinary.

11. It’s a bit of a struggle when

It’s a bit of a struggle when

you are first generation in this country. I stayed

at home, then I got bored and started a food

business. My food is Nepalese. My food is healthy

and fresh. I use ginger, garlic, red onion,

good quality red onion, rice, cut away the

fat. I give the food a lot of thought.

My daughter goes to the dance school on

Thamesmead. It’s amazing. She is doing so

well. English people. Lovely English people

sometimes say ‘oh we can’t do this. We can’t

afford that!’ But you can do that! I can do

anything. I make life busy. I like to make every-

one busy! Desk job kills you! It’s the type of tomatoes

you use. I just put food out there. They love it!

12. My mother worked in the King David Hotel

My mother worked in the King David Hotel

in Jerusalem in 1946. As a member of the Mandatory Government

she took a few days off because she had pregnancy

pains and on one of those days the hotel blew up. The

Stern Gang blew it up. About 90 people died. She heard a bang ran

out into the street and had me early. They couldn't find a craddle

small enough so I came over to London in an orange box stuffed with

cotton wool. I was in London as a teacher and I joined a band. One

has to join a band doesn't one? We were called 'Tintagel' and we had

a year’s residency in Beckinham at the Three Tons. Running the folk

club that we were part of was David Bowie. So we played with David Bowie

for a year. One day we woke up and heard 'Space Oddity' on the radio

and never saw him again. I found I was a drama teacher. I was

born to it. I wrote musicals. I wrote 10. I wrote music and

words. I sure had a wonderful few years. My youth was

full of inexactitude. I am in Trusbury house. It has the

biggest windows of any development. I have fantastic views

13. I am quite used to being locked down

I am quite used to being locked down

I take part in excavations in Iraq.

We are locked down for 9 to 10 weeks

I photograph for the British Museum.

Militants who wanted to destroy monuments

actually discovered archaeological sites because they

dug so many tunnels. I wanted to be part of an art

community but life sometimes takes over. I had no

place to live so I said ‘you know what? I am going to apply

for this.’ I was always curious and also knowing the Clock-

work Orange I said this place is amazing and the flats

were incredible. They were in a really bad state. I am

having the time of my life. To be honest I love

the people in Thamesmead. People talk to you. I am

in one of the towers that will be demolished. I live

on the 9th floor. I am doing a project called in and

out. I am sort of watching passers by. I am making art

out of people not being there. Empty streets, empty

buses. I have been down but because of the empty spaces

I bounce back. All the down aspects of Thamesmead. No transport,

no cinema, no cafes. During covid it does not matter if it

feels remote, because it feels safer.

14 & 15. I came from the Punjab at 14

I came from the Punjab at 14.

I ran a business teaching people to drive. It was just

empty land here. We got the first shop here, Lake-

side Wine Merchants in 1969. Thamesmead was very advanced.

People used to come in coaches from all over the

world to have a look at it. Everything was made for this

town on this site only. Electrical components, everything

every day. There would be coaches. It was constructed in

panels. The Greater London Council thought it was exciting.

They were so careless. They didn’t bother collecting rents.

There were lots of fights. A lot of racism, we were the

first Black people here nobody else only us. They

would always try and steal. When you asked them to stop

they would hit you. We were younger then everyday

there were fights. You had to be on your guard.

We had 3 or 4 people in the shop at the

time, on Saturday afternoon people wanted steak.

They were drinking in the club and they would come

downstairs get a steak and try to steal it and

you try stopping them. Everyone wants a punch up

with you! The police were not very helpful. The

police divide people up. People who they can help…

shop keepers, we are not human. They only want to

know what’s going on out there not in my shop. On

Wednesday afternoons we used to close. I learnt

to fly at Biggin Hill, twin engine planes. If you

ever got lost when you were flying and you saw

Thamesmead, you set 26 on your dial and to go back

to Biggin Hill. It’s a beautiful town from above.

This country is very safe. In the old days it didn’t feel safe.

16. July 20th 1972 we moved

July 20th 1972 we moved

here. It was classed as high rented. You had

to come for an interview and ‘have a good job’

to come here. I was a coal miner’s daughter brought

up in Wales. I bought my first camera when I was

15. I joined the Airforce I ended up in Africa.

I started textiles about 20 years ago. Colour

makes you feel good. It happens with a lot of

people. On the balcony when we had that hot

weather we had the most amazing sunsets.

Deep purple crimson, deep pink. It was almost

like Africa. I like patterns with patterns, reflections

on the lake, shapes, colours. This summer has been brilliant

with all the birds. DO you know what a great crested grebe

looks like? It looks like a punk rocker.

17. I have always loved swans

I have always loved swans

because of the way they are. They are graceful and

tranquil birds and their mannerisms are quite

funny. We had a spate where the swans were being

mutilated. At first they thought it was fox related

but then realised it was human related. I took it upon

myself that I can’t allow that to happen. I had to

make a stand. We set up a Facebook group. We go out on our

patrols. The swans were here before us. In fact,

it’s not ours, it’s theirs.

You look at any old black and white photograph of

Thamesmead and there is a patch of light

and sure enough it’s a beautiful bird.

18. I have been here 44 years

I have been here 44 years.

I am 44. We work at the Hawksmoor Youth

Club. Older generations keep grudges going.

People stick in their postcode. Young people

have to make a decision what groups they want

to be in. There is a past history of gangs from diff-

erent postcodes not getting on. Tinie Tempah was in the

Teapot Gang. There are positives of being in a gang. If some-

one wants to fight you you have people who will cover

your back. Community events are fun. The whole family

can come. I did one recently, 500 people came. The

population has increased but the services have not.

People are making a living illegally because of the benefits syst-

em. If a kid goes to work but lives at home he has to pay the rent for

mum and dad. I have a new partner. He volunteers here. He is a nice man.

19. When I was studying art

When I was studying art I couldn’t recognise myself in

anyone. I need to be a Brown Muslim female artist. I need to

shout about it. I have done textile design for Zara

but no one would know. Textile design can be very

anonymous because it’s female. I thought you had to be a

white person to be an artist. We used to visit

Lahore to visit my grandparents. I have these really vivid memories of going to

to these bazaars with fabric rolled really high. It was

like you were at a sweetshop. There was not much ready-

made clothing. You would have a family tailor, you would

pick your fabric then go to see your tailor and that has

always stuck with me. The power textile has to transform

things, that really appealed to me. You could define or

change who you were just by the clothes you wore.

This year didn’t feel like Ramadan but one thing was quite good

during lockdown. It was good to think and reflect. We did get

dressed up at Eid. Me and my husband had a picnic it was so great.

20. I was born in Leamington Spa in the War

I was born in Leamington Spa in the War. The War had a big

impression on me. I wrote lots of poems about the War.

Aged 16 I was a supervisor in Marks and Spencer. I went into

interior design. I worked my way through, developing other

people’s homes. I built up a reputation. I have been doing

that for 33 years. I worked with people with lots of

money in the center of London. It was pure delight

coming up with ideas which they loved. This is my love of

nature. We have to be in nature. I saw this building which is all

grey and black with steel panels. I went for my interview. They

showed me a room with a four meter window and on the

other side of the balcony are the woods and I cried.

I have been here a year, I have watched the transformation

of nature. When I moved in there were hardly any leaves on the

trees and they have grown with me living here. The sun rises

through the trees an amazing red. It’s all up across

Thamesmead. I have a 360 view. I feel so blessed.

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